WE’RE GOING TO discuss collectibles right now, however not the type you rating at a flea market or from an internet public sale. We’re going to speak about collectible bushes. Sure, bushes. A brand new ebook by Amy Stewart known as “The Tree Collectors” introduces us to 50 individuals whose lives have been remodeled by what she calls their “arboreal obsessions.”
Amy, who’s primarily based in Portland, Ore., is a “New York Occasions” bestselling creator whose earlier nonfiction books in regards to the pure world additionally embody “The Drunken Botanist,” and “Depraved Crops.” Her latest, “The Tree Collectors: Tales of Arboreal Obsession” (affiliate hyperlinks), is out this month, and she or he joined me to speak in regards to the individuals and bushes she met within the strategy of writing it.
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‘the tree collectors,’ with amy stewart
Margaret Roach: I’ve gardener pals out your approach in Portland, and I’ve been listening to talks of a latest stretch of 100-degree days. I hope you’re O.Ok.
Amy Stewart: I do know. Yeah, we’re not used to it in Portland.
Margaret: No, insanity, insanity, insanity. Congratulations on the brand new ebook; you’ve been busy, I can see.
I simply needed to ask: It’s not a subject I’ve ever actually considered. I do know Gesneriad collectors, and orchid collectors, and Aroid collectors, and even like heirloom-tomato collectors, however tree collectors—I don’t know any actually, until we’re speaking about arboreta, or a nursery that focuses on a selected sort of bushes. How did this come into your head? How did this occur?
Amy: Nicely, I used to be the identical approach. It had by no means occurred to me that folks collected bushes. However I used to be at an occasion of some sort about 10 years in the past, and a man got here as much as me and advised me that he was a tree collector [laughter]. I stated, “Nicely, O.Ok. Timber are actually huge and exhausting to maneuver, in order that’s a bizarre factor to gather. What do you imply? How does that even work?” In his case, he advised me that he had an enormous plot of land, and he planted his bushes in rows, like books on a bookshelf. His purpose was simply to gather as many various bushes as he may that grew in his a part of the world, in Lancaster County, Pa.
I assumed that was very attention-grabbing, and I keep in mind coming house and mentioning it to my husband, who’s a rare-book vendor. So there’s quite a lot of discuss collectors and amassing in our home, and he was fascinated with it as effectively. Then, over time, sometimes another person would inform me that they have been a tree collector, and I all the time thought it might be an attention-grabbing concept for a ebook, however I couldn’t fairly get my head round it. As soon as I’d met three or 4 of them, I simply thought, “Oh, I’ve to do that.”
Margaret: Attention-grabbing. The Arnold Arboretum, they’re tree collectors [laughter], or MrMaple, the nursery in North Carolina, two brothers with all their Japanese maples, a whole bunch and a whole bunch of various varieties, they’re tree collectors, however I consider that as a special sort of factor. The individuals in your ebook are principally not that, precisely. As you say, between the house constraints, you may’t put it on a bric-a-brac shelf like your china dolls [laughter]. You possibly can’t put it in a ebook like your stamp assortment. It’s not precisely prompt gratification both, is it?
Amy: Nicely, that’s true. There’s this different aspect of time with a tree assortment that different objects you may gather don’t have, which is that it grows and modifications over time.
I feel positively on the excessive finish… effectively truly, that is actually true of all types of amassing. There’s a excessive finish, after which there’s how on a regular basis individuals such as you and me may do one thing. I’ve a tiny little ebook assortment, and it’s all of the books that Annie Proulx wrote about gardening and homesteading earlier than she grew to become the Annie Proulx we all know and love. It’s a set of 10 books [laughter]. That’s my ebook assortment. You possibly can gather one thing and have or not it’s actually small.
Within the case of tree collectors, there are individuals who clearly have huge tracts of land, they usually should purchase pretty mature specimens of bushes, which value much more cash. They’ll have a grand property crammed with no matter they gather. For those who’re a tree collector, you is perhaps into amassing oaks, or maples, or conifers, or palm bushes. However there’s quite a lot of methods to gather on a a lot smaller scale, and truly, that was extra attention-grabbing to me. What in regards to the people who find themselves tree collectors, however they simply stay in a daily suburban home with a normal-sized yard, or perhaps they even stay in an house? What may amassing appear to be in these conditions?
Margaret: There’s these 50 tree collectors that you simply’ve profiled. They’re from all around the world, Greenland and Poland, and Singapore, India, Brazil, Ethiopia. I may go on and on. The ebook’s introduction begins with the query that, in fact, I need to now ask you, since you’ve met and interviewed all these tree collectors: “What possesses somebody to own a tree?” That’s how you start the ebook.
Amy: Nicely, it’s attention-grabbing. Loads of these of us I acknowledged instantly as true collectors. For those who’re somebody who’s in your coronary heart a collector, you’ve most likely collected different issues over the course of your life earlier than you bought into bushes. Perhaps you have been a stamp collector, otherwise you collected baseball playing cards. You’re somebody who has that sort of acquisitive nature, like, “I will need to have one.” After which, when you notice that there’s a bunch of them in that class, there’s this urge to be completist about it, and to say, “I would like considered one of each one, and I received’t be glad till I fill within the holes, and I’ve the entire set.”
I perceive that mindset, and positively, there are tree collectors who’re like that. There’s a lady within the ebook who collects pine cones, and she or he determined that she would gather considered one of each species of pine on the earth, and she or he hasn’t been in a position to end it. It’s exhausting to do, however there’s one thing in regards to the quest, and having that record in your head of, these are those I’m actually after, that’s form of pleasant. I feel that’s a part of what drives tree collectors, however there are positively people who find themselves planting bushes for extra, I’d say deeply private causes, and actually heartfelt causes.
Margaret: Yeah, and I need to discuss a few of those who struck me. You divided the ebook in classes, sections in keeping with what you noticed as every particular person’s main motivation for amassing. There’s artists, and curators, and educators, and healers, and ecologists and so forth. Within the healer chapter, one factor is, as I feel you level out within the ebook, talking of therapeutic and bushes, forest bathing is a factor. It’s not only a factor proper now. It’s an actual factor. Connecting with bushes is highly effective, isn’t it?
Amy: It’s, yeah, completely. I stroll by means of the forest day by day right here in Portland, for a couple of minutes. It’s, in fact, an extremely stress-free and soothing place to be. It makes us really feel higher. I feel it additionally reminds us of, once more, there’s this high quality of time with bushes. Each morning I stroll previous this monumental Douglas fir, and I don’t know the way outdated it’s, however I do know that it was right here many generations earlier than I used to be born, and that it’ll be right here lengthy after I’m gone. There’s one thing about that timelessness that jogs my memory that my troubles and my worries are actually transitory [laughter].
Margaret: Sure.
Amy: It’s that very same sense of awe that you simply get while you lookup on the stars, and also you keep in mind in a really nice, reassuring approach that you simply’re sort of insignificant within the grander scheme of issues.
Margaret: Sure, only a speck. In that healer part, there’s a lady, a memorable lady, not less than for me, in England, who collects Japanese maples [above, Marie Noelle Bouvet]. I feel you stated she has 4,000 of them now, or one thing. And she or he’s considered one of these folks that used to gather different issues, such as you have been simply saying. Inform us about why this was therapeutic for her. She has an attention-grabbing story.
Amy: I used to be so moved by this. She’s any person who began amassing Japanese maples. She simply began with one, that’s all the time the way it begins [laughter], and you then’re like, “I didn’t notice there’s different kinds. Now I need two or three extra.” She went down that street, and was in a position to get sufficient land that she may actually begin rising out maples at scale. The attention-grabbing factor about maple bushes is that they don’t develop true from seed. If in case you have a Japanese maple and it drops a seed on the bottom, and a brand new little tree sprouts from that, it’s going to look very totally different from its mother and father. You may have the chance to probably uncover, and even introduce to the world a brand new number of Japanese maple that nobody’s ever seen earlier than.
One of many issues she advised me is that she and her husband weren’t in a position to have children, and she or he all the time felt this sense of loss that she by no means had a baby. She stated that the maple bushes helped her sort of fill that gap in her life, however then she additionally stated, about searching for a brand new selection that perhaps comes out of her assortment, that she would love to have the ability to introduce and identify a brand new number of maple tree. She stated, “I haven’t been in a position to give a reputation to a baby. I want to give a reputation to a tree.”
Margaret: So it helped her along with her grief, and gave her a forward-looking mission, the following era mission?
Amy: It did, and I’m glad you stated that, as a result of that’s one other actually profound factor that she stated. She stated that each one the opposite issues that she used to gather have been principally protecting her tied to the previous, however that while you gather bushes, you’re enthusiastic about the long run.
Margaret: Yeah, it’s a great one. Within the ecologists part, I like the story of (and I’d butcher this identify) Miyawaki forest plantings, the tiny forests that you simply say an area the scale of a number of parking areas, or ideally, a tennis court docket in measurement, generally is a entire forest, and that there’s a person in India who, I feel he consults with individuals elsewhere world wide, and makes these tiny forests. That was simply extremely lovely as a thought.
Amy: Yeah, I like the concept of it, and I additionally love the ecological precept at work. I talked to this man, Shubendu Sharma [above], who in India was skilled as an engineer, and he was working at a Toyota plant in Bangalore. He advised me that his accountability as an engineer was to take a look at their provide chain, and what they have been speculated to do was to hint each materials that went into a brand new automobile all the way in which again by means of all of the suppliers, again to its unique supply. Usually, that unique supply was one thing that initially got here out of nature, such as you may suppose rubber bushes and tires perhaps for example. And what he realized is, it begins with a pure supply, and it will get put by means of the availability chain and made right into a automobile that’s in the end destined for a landfill. That’s all that may ever occur. It should solely ever go to a landfill.
Margaret: That’s a perky thought, huh, that cycle?
Amy: It’s a perky thought. He realized what a wasteful course of that was, and that finally, sometime, we’ll run out of pure merchandise to place into landfills. We’ll be out. That’s the one course it will probably go. So someday, this man got here to talk at his plant about constructing tiny forests, and this concept comes from Miyawaki, in Japan, and his concept was that you should utilize his explicit technique of intensive cultivation to plant a really dense forest that can develop very, in a short time, and fill even a very small house. This isn’t reforestation, that is what he calls afforestation, which means to place a forest in a spot that it wasn’t earlier than, with the concept being that we will appeal to habitat, we will clear the air, assist purify water. There’s one million causes to do that.
However the way in which it really works, and what Shubendu Sharma has finished as an engineer is to systematize it. He’s now made that his life. He not works at Toyota, and what he does are these tiny forests. It includes very deep cultivation of the soil, abnormally deep cultivation, perhaps a number of ft deep, so that you’re most likely utilizing a backhoe for this. After which, quite a lot of natural materials so as to add porosity to the soil, as a result of principally, you’re wanting extraordinarily accelerated root development. You add quite a lot of useful microorganisms to the soil, after which, you plant in all 4 or 5 layers of a forest , very carefully collectively, so the understory vegetation, the small shrubs, the marginally taller bushes that stay below the cover and the bushes that can in the end get so tall that they’ll turn into the cover of the forest, and possibly crowd out quite a lot of what was as soon as rising beneath it.
Margaret: Wow.
Amy: The thought with that is that you must weed it and water it for the primary few years, however then, you need to be capable to stroll away, and let it do what it’s going to do. In fact, you need to use native species which might be effectively suited to the realm, however individuals do that of their backyards [laughter]. I talked to Shubendu Sharma through Zoom, and he walked out into his yard along with his laptop computer, and confirmed me his tiny forest.
It’s impenetrable. It’s not meant to be a leisure house for people. It’s meant to be a forest that’s not for us, however that’s for wildlife. These go into vacant heaps and metropolis parks, and company campuses and folks’s backyards all around the world.
Margaret: It jogged my memory of this concept known as pocket forests that Basil Camu, the co-founder of this tree-care firm, truly, in Raleigh, N.C., Leaf & Limb. He promotes this pocket forest concept, and he has a nonprofit inside it that grows quite a lot of saplings of native bushes, and distributes them totally free to totally different conservation tasks and group tasks across the space, and teaches individuals to plant, such as you’re saying, very intensively, very shut collectively, and make these pocket forests. It’s simply fantastic. It’s transformational each for the individuals and for the house, to get entangled with these child bushes.
Amy: Certain.
Margaret: One other one within the ecologists part was from Greenland, and foolish me, I didn’t actually know that bushes don’t actually traditionally develop there. It’s not a spot of forests, it’s not a rustic of forests, and that’s altering together with the local weather, I suppose. The collector you profiled is exploring perhaps which bushes might have an opportunity within the Greenland of the long run. Is {that a} good tough abstract of what he’s doing? Inform us about him.
Amy: Yeah, precisely. Nicely, you and me each, it didn’t happen to me that there weren’t bushes in Greenland. A part of it’s that it’s above the tree line, there’s an Arctic tree line above which bushes don’t develop, but in addition, as a result of even in southern Greenland, the place there might be bushes and perhaps as soon as have been bushes, there’s now cattle grazing, and sheep. Timber don’t stand an opportunity. That is what you may see in a spot just like the British Isles. You see these sort of treeless areas which might be given over to sheep farming and stuff like that.
A part of it’s that, however there actually was by no means simply a lot curiosity in attempting to determine if bushes would develop. In fact, with a warming local weather, quite a lot of tree species are shifting in that course, and even birds are serving to to move tree seeds.
Margaret: They’re good tree planters.
Amy: Sure, proper. Nature is dealing with a few of that. There’s this mission in Greenland to create a botanical backyard, though what’s attention-grabbing is, everybody concerned on this mission says, “We don’t don’t know why we’re doing this. It will likely be for the following era to resolve the aim of this. What we need to do is determine what bushes even develop right here, and to get them established.” As a result of to check the introduction of bushes right into a treeless house, you simply should let a number of generations go by. That, once more, is that this thought, we maintain coming again to this concept of time, and this notion that we’re doing this for the following era is, I feel, such a strong one which bushes remind us of.
They’re searching for bushes all world wide that develop near that Arctic tree line, like Siberian larch , issues like that, to simply see what may even make it right here. After which, the following era will resolve, do we wish this for timber manufacturing? Do we wish it for leisure makes use of, good surroundings, planting bushes in individuals’s backyards? Think about dwelling in a spot the place you by no means see a tree. It will simply be good to see some bushes. Any variety of the reason why it’d proceed, however it will likely be the work of the following era to determine all that out.
Margaret: He’s attempting to assist develop a palette that not less than might be thought-about for fill-in-the-blank function? [Above, Kenneth Hoegh.]
Amy: Precisely.
Margaret: He’s doing the check, the R&D testing.
Amy: The R&D, proper.
Margaret: Attention-grabbing. I used to be mentioning earlier, as have been you, the house constraints of getting a tree assortment, and also you talked about the pine cone collector. Not all of the profiled collectors, we must always simply say, not simply the pine cone particular person, however others, not all of them have full-sized bushes. There’s a bonsai one who has all these potted bonsai, and there’s an individual who collects, I feel leaves. There’s one with wooden, totally different sorts of wooden. It’s actually an attention-grabbing combine of individuals. There’s one chapter, or part of artists, and one that actually stood out to me was this conceptual artist, I feel it’s, you say Sam Van-
Amy: Sam Van Aken [below], yeah.
Margaret: Along with his Tree of 40 Fruit. He had this quote, it stated, “‘I assumed grafting was the proper metaphor for modern existence,” he advised you. He stated, “In so some ways, I really feel like our lives are all so piecemeal and hybridized and patched collectively.” So he’s grafting 40 fruits onto one sort of tree?
Amy: Proper. If you consider it, yeah, if fruit bushes are your factor, you solely want one tree to have a tree assortment [laughter]. The attention-grabbing factor about that, he’s an artist, and he does these as artwork tasks. There are additionally drawings that accompany it. It’s a complete factor. It’s a complete mission that he does. The factor about grafting many various sorts of fruit onto one tree—now these are all stone fruit, so it might be plums and cherries and stuff like that—is that you simply don’t exit simply on someday and graft 40 totally different fruits onto a tree.
Margaret: No.
Amy: It’s one thing that you must do over time. To begin with, the tree must be in precisely the appropriate season, and the appropriate stage of its development for the graft to take maintain. One other factor is that not each graft goes to take effectively to its host tree. It has to make use of these interstock. There’s sure fruit bushes which might be good bridges between two others.
Margaret: Sure.
Amy: Typically he’ll should go and graft on that interstock after which wait a yr or two, after which graft on the fruit tree he needed that may now be accepted into the host tree, as a result of there’s somewhat bridge there that works for it. It is a course of that truly takes a few years for one tree. And right here once more, these are bushes that yow will discover, a few of them are on the grounds of museums or universities, one thing like a zoo, or a science museum, or one thing like that may have considered one of his bushes. He has truly finished a complete bunch of them on Roosevelt Island in New York Metropolis.
Margaret: Oh?
Amy: Yeah. The cool factor about it, to start with, they’re lovely, as a result of I need you to attempt to think about—all of us love the way in which cherry blossoms look within the spring, however think about a tree that has many barely totally different colours of blossoms, and the bloom cycle is occurring over an extended time period, as a result of it’s a bunch of various sorts of-
Margaret: Wow.
Amy: Precisely. Additionally, the fruit you get can come over a protracted season. You can begin selecting fruit in June and nonetheless be getting fruit in September. It’s not like, “My tree is fruiting, and I’m dumping baggage of plums on everyone’s entrance door step, as a result of all of them should be harvested in the identical week.” You’re getting a number of handfuls of fruit per week all summer season lengthy, which is what most of us can deal with in our family.
Margaret: It looks like within the tales, these profiles of the 50 individuals, that every one skilled a sort of change, a private transformation from this relationship with this tree amassing. Perhaps simply say somewhat bit about that, and in addition about what you hope the reader will get out of “assembly them,” and by studying the ebook, as a result of I feel that’s necessary, too, and doubtlessly transformational.
Amy: I feel the one approach I can actually sum it up is to say {that a} life with bushes is a life well-lived [laughter]. I used to be struck over and over by what number of of those individuals had constructed stronger communities and stronger relationships with their pals and households by means of the bushes. It occurs in so many various methods throughout this ebook that I couldn’t even start to summarize it, however I used to be simply struck over and over at what wealthy lives individuals have, not simply with their bushes, however with the individuals of their lives due to the bushes. That was simply extraordinary for me.
Margaret: Like we talked earlier about, one lady who it helped along with her grief, that was actually transformational in comparison with grieving on a regular basis about not having the ability to have the youngsters and so forth. It looks like there are monumental potential modifications from being so intimately concerned with these dwelling, long-lived issues, these bushes. Any bushes being collected over there in your backyard? [Laughter.]
Amy: Nicely, I stay in an house, so there’s no bushes being collected in my home. I’ll inform you, there’s an oak tree down the road that I actually love, and I missed my probability this yr, however I do intend to go gather some acorns and simply sprout them on my balcony and see what occurs, as a result of it’s only a tree I’m notably keen on. Any of us can do this.
Margaret: Yeah, they’re so lovely. Even squirrels can do this. They’re so lovely. Acorns are so extremely intricate, and exquisite.
Amy: They’re.
Margaret: I ought to have stated at first that you simply didn’t solely write the ebook, you additionally illustrated it. I don’t know the way you figured that out, however you illustrated it, so congratulations on that as effectively. And once more, congratulations. Once more, I assumed, “Tree collectors, what, huh?” The portraits of the individuals, they’re very compelling, and each is distinct. It’s not the identical story in every case, and it’s fascinating. Thanks. Thanks quite a bit.
Amy: Nicely, thanks. Thanks for having me.
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