I CALL THE phenomenon tomato troubles: the yellow-spotted foliage that falls off, or the plant that produces all these misshapen fruits. And sure, the assault of the hornworms, too, once you get up to a whole lot of lacking leaves sooner or later. Or all the above.
Just a few years again I checked in with the tomato man himself, Craig LeHoullier, writer of the e book “Epic Tomatoes,” to see what we will do even beneath such high-summer pressures to usher in that scrumptious harvest, and since I’m listening to from listeners already this 12 months about tomato troubles of their very own, I believed it was a great time to revisit Craig’s recommendation.
Craig gardens and grows tomatoes in Hendersonville, N.C., nowadays, after a few years in Raleigh earlier than that. He’s a proponent of the straw-bale gardening technique, which he additionally wrote a e book about. He’s an avid canner of his recent produce and teaches a web-based Epic Tomatoes course together with his good friend and mine, Joe Lamp’l.
He shared his key methods for tomato success, and defined the completely different tomato troubles you is likely to be going through and what’s behind them. And be taught the provenance of ‘Cherokee Purple,’ the beloved purple heirloom that Craig named, and was liable for nudging into commerce (for which all of us thank him). (Photograph of Craig under by Shoe Heel Manufacturing facility from Craig’s e book. Tomatoes high of web page by Joe Lamp’l)
Plus: Enter to win a replica of his e book and a few tomato seeds from Craig by commenting within the field close to the underside of the web page.
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Margaret Roach: I’m glad to welcome you again to the present simply in time to avoid wasting us all [laughter]. Hello, Craig, how are you?
Craig LeHoullier: Hey, Margaret, how do I save myself? That’s the query.
Margaret: I do know. Do you may have the rescue squad on alert?
Craig: We’ve got had a really, very uncommon season right here in Hendersonville. And so that is my third, and this was by far probably the most difficult, and I chalk all of it as much as mom nature who was simply not as beneficent with me as she was the final two years.
Margaret: Proper. The climate, the climate.
Craig: Sure.
Margaret: So actually selfishly, I wished to speak to you to commiserate, as we simply began to do, as a result of I may inform in your Instagram that even along with your experience and all of your years of expertise rising tomatoes, ambitiously rising tomatoes, and breeding tomatoes and writing books about tomatoes, you’re nonetheless going through points and even rising in straw bales.
Craig: Yeah. And there’s some mysteries which have popped up this 12 months that I wanted to analyze extra absolutely, equivalent to why are crops which are planted in virgin straw bales coming down with Fusarium wilt of all issues [above; photo by Craig]. As a result of fusarium is usually one thing that builds up in backyard soil over years. So was it seed-borne, is there in actual fact an insect vector? So a lot of issues…
Nicely, as you understand, with each backyard we’ve, there are mysteries to unwind and issues to consider for the subsequent 12 months. However as you can also inform from my Instagram, there is no such thing as a non-fun backyard for probably the most half. You simply roll with it and be taught issues and there’s at all times tomatoes to eat. So it’s been a very good 12 months.
Margaret: Yeah. I cherished on Instagram in your account, once you put an image of your straw bales and what you simply stated, although they have been on this supposedly sterile medium or clear medium, not in soil with spores splashing up and so forth, that they have been having bother. And as a remark to that image, to that put up, one commenter stated, “that image seems to be rather a lot like my yard, yellow, wilty, and nonetheless throwing out nice tomatoes. A 12 months within the life.” And I believed that individual, they know [laughter].
Craig: Nicely, one of many issues I’ve discovered helpful and comforting is to simply share what’s taking place and never gloss it over, and faux that it’s not taking place. I’ve been gardening 40 years. And I form of have this factor that I believe that in any 10-year interval, possibly two gardens will likely be spectacular. Three or 4 gardens will likely be fairly good. And you then’re going to get these one, two, or three mystifying defeats for probably the most half, and nearly at all times it’s as a result of climate.
And naturally climate influences the onset of ailments and the presence of ailments and the various kinds of critters that are available in. So it’s a really advanced system with a lot of variables that you just and I and others get to have for our sandbox.
Margaret: Yeah. Are there some techniques that (like rising in straw bales, which is one which has typically been an enormous benefit for you, a tactical determination that has benefited your harvests and more healthy crops and all that stuff)… Are there different issues proper now, once you begin to see troubles, do you fastidiously take away discolored foliage? Have you learnt what I imply? Do you may have different techniques which are the should issues?
Craig: Yeah. So there’s the perfect and the should, and there’s a direct dependency in your power stage that day and what number of tomatoes you’ve already eaten. So what I discover is the passion to get each noticed leaf and yellow leaf, and so on., off the plant, is known as a excessive precedence early within the season. After which the times get into the 90s and also you’ve already canned so many various quarts. And so you permit a few of these leaves on and you could not feed as typically as you would like.
And what occurs is the crops say, “Nicely, thanks rather a lot, Craig,” [laughter] they usually do what they do, which is the illness spreads rapidly. So for issues like Septoria leaf spot, that are the small brown spots that begin on the decrease leaves and it’s simply throughout us. Septoria impacts all the tomato plant household, even the weeds, the jimsonweeds and such. So it’s laborious to keep away from it.
And it’s laborious to keep away from early blight, as a result of that’s in backyard refuse that you could be not clear up, and in crops throughout us. That blows in. And I had the proper storm this 12 months, like many have within the nation, of circumstances that result in that, which is a lot of 3 or 4 or 5 o’clock thunderstorms, which implies you may have foliage that’s staying moist all night time. And people spores, as quickly because it comes down, are floating round and getting onto the leaves.
So actually, applicable spacing, ensuring your crops are stress-free, loads of watering, loads of feeding after they want it. After which simply being actually vigilant to take away these for first indicators.
So Septoria and early blight is not going to kill a plant if you happen to sustain with it. Fusarium is the unhealthy one and bacterial wilt, however I don’t assume we have to speak about that; that appears to be fairly localized in numerous gardens, however additionally it is within the soil. Fusarium, or Verticillium possibly extra within the West, are those that basically get folks as a result of they assault by the roots. And as soon as a plant will get it, you stroll out, it’s wilting although it’s effectively watered after which growth, it’s turning shiny yellow. That plant might offer you just a few tomatoes, nevertheless it’s most likely a goner. In order that’s the one illness, I believe, that results in probably the most melancholy amongst tomato lovers.
Margaret: Now you talked about feeding. And so let’s simply speak about when do you feed your crops, sometimes? Do you may have a protocol of once you feed, since you’re rising, once more, in these bales. If I’m rising within the floor, what would you be your really helpful feeding interval?
Craig: Yeah, positive. So the quantity I feed is basically instantly proportional to the quantity that I’m having to water. And within the floor, I might say each two to a few weeks, after which learn the crops and see in the event that they’re flowering. A lot of flowers on the market, and the plant seems to be good and plush and inexperienced, you’re heading in the right direction. And use possibly a common all-purpose balanced fertilizer with NPK. Nitrogen, possibly just a little extra earlier within the season to get the vegetative development going. Then just a little bit extra of the center quantity, phosphorus. You may change to a better phosphorus content material later within the season, which promotes blossoms.
However possibly two to a few weeks. For those who’re not watering a lot, possibly as soon as a month. In containers and straw bales, I’m going weekly, as a result of the warmth is forcing me to water day by day. And that day by day watering is resulting in vitamins leaching out just a little bit extra rapidly. So I discover the weekly feeding is working completely. I’m seeing, earlier than the illness hit, loads of flowers, loads of fruit set and all was going fairly effectively.
Margaret: And also you’re utilizing, it’s a diluted fertilizer of whichever model you employ, however a liquid feed we’re speaking about.
Craig: Yeah, simply the tablespoon per gallon, combine it up in an enormous container. I give every plant a few cup and a half every week and the crops like it. They actually, actually reply to it. And you really want to do this in straw bales as a result of there’s no vitamins within the straw bale till you cost it up. Proper?
Margaret: Yeah. And so, once you take off. So we begin, then we finally see some contaminated leaves and so forth. If you take off that particles, the place do you place it in your backyard? I imply, do you take away it to a distance? Have you learnt what I imply? Like what do you do with it? Yeah.
Craig: So I sometimes will replenish a a kind of massive black plastic shrubbery buckets, go round and simply both snap it off or clip it off. And as soon as I get that full, I’m going approach again into my woods and simply dump it in a pile again there. As a result of backyard particles… Individuals who don’t mulch, individuals who let their crops die off within the backyard, they’re going to see early blight and Septoria [above; photo by Craig] extra rapidly as a result of all of that particles could also be harboring the spores. You get rain and it splashes that spore up onto your decrease foliage.
So that is here’s a testomony to just about doing every thing proper, and nonetheless having issues are available in. However you understand, my adage that goes together with that is because the 1850s, if you happen to look in seed catalogs, we’re being stricken by most of the identical ailments which were round for 170 years. And regardless of all the analysis occurring, we’re nonetheless discovering only a few methods to battle them.
In order that they’re just a little bit like COVID [laughter]. Nicely, they’re very good. And when you begin hitting them with one thing or breeding varieties which are tolerant or resistant to 1 pressure, what do they do? Nicely, we’re going to develop ourselves into one other pressure that’s going to flee it. So we’re actually preventing the Darwin battle right here, survival of the fittest, and ailments are all part of that.
Margaret: I imply, you stake, I imagine since you’re in straw bales. So your crops are up within the air.
Craig: Sure.
Margaret: And so is that one other tactic for kind of good backyard hygiene, having them up within the air, not sprawling?
Craig: Nicely what staking does is it permits higher air circulation, higher solar publicity, and actually much less hiding locations for critters, issues like slugs and rats and squirrels to get beneath these crops. And in addition if the ailments are within the floor, you haven’t any contact of the leaves with the bottom to assist within the transference of these illness spores onto the crops.
The issue, in fact, with staking, because the crops get tall, they’re indeterminate varieties. And one massive windy thunderstorm will begin the Leaning Tower of Pisa occurring in your backyard, proper? I’ve truly had two crops go down. And as a lot as we’ve talked about these ailments, out of my, possibly 25 crops in straw bales, I’ve eliminated half a dozen. So there are nonetheless lots which are doing rather well. So I’m now beginning to consider, did the roots of the crops undergo the straw bales into the soil, and will it have picked up some illness that was harbored within the garden from me gardening the final two years? That is the place it’s a must to put in your Sherlock Holmes cap.
And I do take into consideration a few of these ailments are absorbed into the seed coat, and although you do fermentation, you dry your seeds properly, you would have spores of issues like Fusarium or early blight [below; photo by Craig] and Septoria sitting within the seed coats. And they also get into the plant and as soon as the circumstances develop into proper, which is warmth and humidity, it might set off them. So I’ve obtained rather a lot… Once I say I’ve obtained a whole lot of issues to determine, and you understand me effectively, sufficient, Margaret. I’ve been doing this 40 years and yearly I nonetheless really feel like, my gosh, I don’t know something about this. I’ve a lot extra I must be taught. After which I wish to share it with everybody, as a result of it’s no good to have data until you share it with your pals and different gardeners so we will all succeed collectively.
Margaret: Yeah. Nicely that was what you and Joe have been doing on the Epic Tomatoes course that folks subscribe to that began at the start of the season and so forth.
Craig: Yeah. Nicely you deliver up Joe. He and I’ve a mixed 80 years of gardening expertise. Joe will kill me if I say that, nevertheless it’s true, as a result of he’s solely 39. How can that be?
Margaret: Yeah, precisely.
Craig: However I used to be simply at his backyard. We did a blind tomato tasting there [the varieties, below; photo by Craig]. Was that enjoyable?
Margaret: I noticed that on Instagram, too. That was so enjoyable.
Craig: Oh gosh, it was enjoyable. However his crops look rather a lot like my crops. So best-laid plans of mice, males, critters, hornworms and no matter, we’re going to have points. That actually ought to have an effect on the numbers of crops folks attempt to slot in, and that is form of the struggle of attrition. For those who solely have three crops they usually get hit by illness, you solely harvest just a few fruit. It’s rather a lot completely different. I’ve 60 crops this 12 months. So once I lose 4 or six crops, I’m like, effectively, I can nonetheless can all of those tomatoes. It’s actually not a tragedy. And naturally not everyone can match that many crops. However go for as many as you’ll be able to is at all times my recommendation.
Margaret: You stated, slugs. You will have slugs? You’re having slugs? This isn’t one thing, I’ve to say up right here in Zone 5, usually everyone asks me about slugs on a regular basis, and I simply don’t have… I imply, I see a slug once in a while, nevertheless it’s by no means something that I’ve misplaced a plant to of any form. And I don’t see a whole lot of slug injury on issues. And largely as a result of I believe I’ve a whole lot of good helpers. I’m infested with each amphibian you’ll be able to think about [laughter], and a whole lot of reptiles too. And that’s nice.
Craig: Yeah.
Margaret: Yeah. A lot of good slug-eaters over right here.
Craig: My first 12 months of the three I’ve handled them, and once more, I believe it’s the moisture and the wetness.
Margaret: Sure.
Craig: I simply replanted some squash crops and a few bean crops final night time, as a result of once I planted seeds, as quickly as they germinated the subsequent morning, the slugs would’ve eaten all of them. So now I’ve truly sunk little cups of beer, not an excellent beer. I’m a stout drinker. This was form of a mediocre IPA; I determine the slugs aren’t that fussy. However an hour after sinking these into the bales, the place they have been stage every cup had a few dozen slugs.
Margaret: Ah!
Craig: Sure. It simply insane.
Margaret: Oh my goodness.
Craig: And we had cucumbers they usually have been lovely for lots of the season, however hastily it regarded like roads have been drawn on them as a result of slugs all night time had traveled over the floor and simply nibbled. So yeah. We’ve had no hornworms. We’ve had only some stink bugs. We’ve had no fruit worms. This has been unusually the 12 months of the slug greater than anything. And it’s simply mystifying. I by no means thought they wish to be on straw bales, as a result of they’re tough and abrasive. They don’t thoughts in any respect.
Margaret: Yeah. So simply let’s even if you happen to’re not experiencing them, let’s simply rapidly… There’s a few of these what I consider as like mechanical failures that aren’t ailments or pests, however that due to like dry-wet, dry-wet extremes or one thing, crops get wired. And issues such as you don’t get any flowers for some time, or the flowers don’t appear to get pollinated. You don’t get fruit set. Otherwise you get these misshapen issues. So, simply a few examples. Have you learnt what I imply?
Craig: Yeah. So these are the three major, what we’re consult with as physiological results. In order that they’re not the genetics of the plant a lot. They’re simply the circumstances that 12 months, or they could possibly be gardener operator error. And we’ll speak about that.
So the primary is blossom finish rot, and naturally everyone has seen it. It occurs rather a lot on sauce tomatoes like Romas the place, oh, you’re so excited, you’ve obtained all these tomatoes set on the plant after which all of them begin growing a black sunken space on the underside. And that’s blossom finish rot. That it truly is introduced on by an interruption within the regular calcium uptake of the plant, as a result of the plant has develop into pressured. And sometimes it’s going to imply the individual’s been at work, or they’ve had their again flip and the solar is out and it’s 90. And the plant simply visibly wilts. That stress stage proven by the plant wilting is ample to interrupt the uptake of calcium, which creates the deficit, which ends up in blossom finish rot.
So even watering, drip irrigation, being super-vigilant. For those who’ve obtained 90 to 95 diploma days, exit at midday, give these crops an additional drink of water. And possibly, when you’ve got an actual downside with them in your zone, keep away from a number of the plum-shaped tomatoes and go possibly for extra of the heart-shaped varieties, as a result of they’re equally good for utilizing in sauce, however they have a tendency to not get blossom finish rot as a lot because the ‘San Marzano’ and a ‘Roma.’ So simply maintain your eye on the watering. Mulch effectively.
There’s two that you just talked about. Considered one of them is misshapen fruit, and catfacing is one other phrase for it. The ugly heirloom is one other. Yeah, effectively, that’s the place it obtained that moniker. And that’s partially genetically managed as a result of these of us who like to develop ‘Mortgage Lifter’ and ‘Cherokee Purple’ and the massive flavorful tomatoes are simply going to have to grasp that these flowers are going to pollinate in considerably cooler circumstances typically, or a situation that’s not good, and also you’ll get a tomato that appears form of humorous.
And I’ve grown to like the ugly heirloom. I roll with it. , you chop the unhealthy elements off. You may the remaining. You eat, the remaining. You save seeds from the remaining. And one of the simplest ways to attenuate that truly is simply to go along with a rounder extra medium-sized tomato, as a result of these massive ones are nearly invariably going to have just a few fruit that you would enter within the state honest for the ugly tomato contest.
And I believe the third factor you talked about, which is basically probably the most of concern nowadays for gardeners the world over who’re rising in heat areas, is the impact of prolonged durations of warmth and humidity on rising tomatoes. And there’s two methods it is a downside. Underneath circumstances the place you’re 90 or above for prolonged durations of time, that pollen is basically not going to maneuver very effectively. The flowers aren’t going to pollinate very effectively, and also you’ll have blossom drop.
Within the course Joe and I are doing, rather a lot, ormost of the questions right here, are coming in about poor fruit set as a result of so many locations have been sizzling as ovens. So both getting an electrical toothbrush and simply going on the base of the blossom cluster, when the flowers simply opened and buzzing it for just a few seconds, or flicking it along with your finger. Organising a shade fabric, so you’ll be able to create a micro local weather close to these flowers that’s only a few levels cooler.
The opposite factor is, maintain your plant wholesome. Don’t minimize off all of your suckers so that you’ve it flowering in a number of locations on the plant all all through the rising season, and you’ll overcome that.
The one which worries me probably the most is pollen die-off. If you get to temperatures 100, 105, 110, the pollen is definitely going to be killed. And so once more, we’ve to consider techniques to decrease a microclimate. I believe we’re going to see extra high-tunnel rising, extra development of greenhouses, extra indoor hydroponics to attempt to escape the warmth.
So these are the three major issues that plague gardeners that don’t have anything to do with the genetics, however simply what the climate is doing to us in the intervening time.
Margaret: Yeah. So that you additionally talked about canning and so forth, and also you like to prepare dinner, clearly, with tomatoes. And you’re a proponent of chilly [raw] packing, of the old style approach, from the, is it the “Ball Blue E-book“? [Above, photo by Craig.]
Craig: Yeah. The “Ball Blue E-book.” Yeah, I like it. It’s dog-eared, it’s coming aside. And I realized one thing fascinating about canning and the place we moved to Hendersonville. We’re at 2,500 toes now. And as a substitute of doing a 45-minute sizzling water tub, we now must do 55 minutes to compensate for the truth that the water boils at a special temperature. My jam was popping out actually humorous as a result of it took me some time to determine that out. Or my yogurt, proper. It impacts a whole lot of issues.
So yeah, I minimize the tomatoes into items. Once I get to about 25 kilos, then I get my seven one-quart jars out, wash them actual effectively, tablespoon of lemon juice, teaspoon of salt, chilly pack, sizzling water tub for 55 minutes. And I’ve had them last as long as two years. I believe within the final three years, we’ve canned 130 quarts and we’ve had two that it didn’t work out. And the way we do it, once you go to make use of them you open it, you scent it. And if it smells like recent tomatoes, you’re good. And if it’s a must to pull your nostril away, as a result of it smells actually, actually unhealthy, your seal didn’t work or the tomato had a rotten half. Don’t even consider saving that. That goes into the compost bin or down the drain.
There’s a whole lot of anxiousness about dwelling canning. I believe when you’ve accomplished it, and also you perceive the enjoyment of reaching for a quart of homegrown tomatoes in the course of winter and making a soup from it, it’s definitely worth the effort. And when you do it sufficient, it’s actually not even all that a lot effort. It’s simply what you do for the subsequent few hours, you understand?
Margaret: So in the previous couple of minutes, I wished to ask you… I ought to have requested possibly at the start, as a result of folks may not know. You as soon as named a tomato. You’ve named different tomatoes since, however you named a tomato that’s a really well-known tomato. So inform us about that tomato. And the way it got here to you and so forth. So which tomato are we speaking about?
Craig: Oh, effectively we’re speaking about ‘Cherokee Purple,’ in fact, which is my… And I’ve to say this, when Joe and I did our blind tasting ‘Cherokee Purple’ was included within the 15 that we tasted, and I had nice anxiousness. As a result of right here’s a tomato I’ve cherished for many years. And I questioned how would it not come out once we tasted blind. And Joe and I each rated it. Blind tasted, randomized, we each rated it on the high of the category. So I’m not nervous anymore.
Margaret: Good.
Craig: So in 1990, I used to be taking part in a whole lot of seed swaps, and a fellow from Tennessee named John Inexperienced, who’s sadly since handed on, determined that I used to be the individual he wished to ship this unnamed purple selection that he had. And he stated it was given from the Cherokee Indians to the grandfather of a good friend within the late 1800s.
So I couldn’t wait to develop it. I did, and it had that distinctive coloration. And so once I checked out it and thought, oh, I hope this tastes good. And we tasted it and it’s like, yeah, it tastes good. So I despatched it to Jeff McCormack of Southern Publicity Seed Trade. I named it ‘Cherokee Purple’ based mostly on the data.
Jeff referred to as me. He stated, “That tomato is terrible humorous wanting and terrible ugly. I don’t assume folks will ever need to develop it, however I’m going to supply it in my catalog in 1993 with a powerful caveat saying just for the adventurous.” And the remaining is form of historical past.
What I’ve realized since then, I had just a few telephone calls with JD earlier than he handed on many, a few years in the past. He obtained it from a girl named Jean Greenlee, who lived in Rutledge, Tennessee. Jean obtained it from her grandfather. So the precise location that it appears to originate from was close to Sevierville, a city referred to as Rutledge, and it’s a Cherokee nation space within the far Jap a part of Tennessee. The one factor I’m kicking myself, and I may nonetheless do that, is to make just a little street journey on the market and see if I can dig up just a little bit extra details about this.
As a result of effectively, it’s like typical family tree. , our grandparents, we didn’t ask all of them these questions we must always have requested them earlier than they handed on. So I’m in the identical boat on a lot of heirlooms. I’m remiss and unhappy that I didn’t dig additional. However once you’re younger and also you’re enthusiastic about gathering all these heirlooms, you’re simply form of wanting forward. I need to develop it and style it and share it. And we don’t have the maturity once we’re younger to consider what we must be doing when it comes to acquiring info once we can.
Margaret: Nicely, we’re all glad that you just launched ‘Cherokee Purple.’ Despite the fact that Jeff McCormack thought it was ugly and for the adventurous [laughter], we’re glad it’s mainstream and everyone ought to develop it. So yeah.
Craig: Nicely what’s cool, Margaret is to grasp what number of adventurous growers there are actually on the planet.
Margaret: Appropriate.
Craig: As a result of the truth that tomato has caught on in a approach was the sharp fringe of the spirit to separate folks from this “I simply need to purple tomato in my backyard.” And now individuals are rising a rainbow of colours and tomatoes. That’s all excellent news.
Margaret: So Craig LeHoullier, I’m so glad that we obtained to speak on the excessive season of tomato troubles, as I say. And I hope I’ll speak to you before later once more. And thanks for making time right now. Now return out and do extra weeding.
Craig: One second to say, anyone who will get that e book, I’ll ship them a signed e book plate to the e book, plus some seeds.
Margaret: Oh, that’s so candy. Thanks. All proper. Nicely, I’ll let you understand who it’s, and I’ll speak to you quickly. Thanks.
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